Speaker 1 (00:02):

Welcome to she sells radio. Well, I have to say, I know my shoe sells community and I know how thrilled to the core. So many of you are gonna be for today’s interview and today’s guest. And so I’m just gonna get right into telling you who we have today. Cuz so many of you know her. So my guest today is Jones. She is an esteemed affirmation musician with millions and millions of plays on Spotify, apple music on YouTube and more. And um, Tony, I shared this with you and we connected originally on Instagram, but your music has become like a mantra for the women in our community. And we played your songs. So many of your songs at our recent Sedona retreat and it was just so magical to have that energy. Yeah, there is part of the retreat. Um, our women are texting me saying like I’m jamming out, you know, to Tony’s music, getting ready in the morning, walking into work. So we’re just grateful for you and who you are. And I’m so excited to have you today. Thank

Speaker 2 (01:03):

You so much. I’m happy to be here. Thank you for sharing me with your platform.

Speaker 1 (01:07):

Oh, it’s so amazing. And so obviously we’re gonna get into all things, music and affirmations and mindset today, but yes, I would love to just start with some of your background because I know you were a life coach, right? And, and a mental health advocate for women in youth. Um, which I understand is part of what prompted you to start making the music. And so I wanna get into that shortly, but I’m really curious just as, as someone who’s a coach myself and I love the industry and I’m so passionate about it. Uh, what got you started on your journey into coaching and specifically with that focus on life coaching and mental health,

Speaker 2 (01:48):

You know, what if I was to say pain has been a very pain and heartbreak has been a, a always has always been like a portal of entry into my evolution, you know, maybe cuz I’m stubborn. I tend to be stubborn sometimes. Um, and so, so I would say that heartbreak and pain made me realize, I think it was back in 20 13, 20 12, 20 13 where I realized man, I have to figure out what it looks like to like really create my life, like really be about my business. And so I was like, I need to go back to school and I ended it up. Uh, I ended, well actually that wasn’t the next step I was online Googling manipulation and I went down a whole rabbit hole and came across narcissism. Now this was before the, the word became a trend to say, right. It was like in 2013 and I was a substitute teacher and I came across narc.

Speaker 2 (02:49):

I came across narcissistic personality disorder and I was just amazed. I was like, oh my God, I have the traits of someone who is a victim to people who had this disorder. And I was dating someone at the time that had this disorder because they fulfilled all the traits. And I was like, oh my gosh, I have to get it together because I can’t be prey to these type of people. And so I was like, I have to get my degree in psychology. I have to, I don’t wanna become a psychologist, but I have to like be, I wanted to be like a psych, a psychology entrepreneur. Like I wanted to help women understand their psychology to heal from holism and prevent them from falling victim to people who had these personality disorders. So I started my wellness come where I provided that type of education while I was in school.

Speaker 2 (03:43):

And, and after I got my degree, I did a, a hard launch of my company where I started to coach women. I used to, I produced events and so on. And so fast forward to 2018, you know, I was just like, oh, this is getting it a little bit exhausting. You know? And the, I wasn’t getting, I, I didn’t feel like I was getting, uh, back what I was putting in financially energetically emotionally. And I just felt like, man, what am I here? I am again, questioning what I, what am I here to do? Like what, what’s the point? Because you know, I was creating a business during the boss era where it was all about getting a bag. It’s all about being an entrepreneur. It’s all about, you know, having six figures within six weeks and selling this. And I was just like self care, self love, mental health.

Speaker 2 (04:38):

And that was not in our timelines at all. You know, I ended up, I ended up, uh, getting on my knees and just praying and meditating, like, you know, God, the divine show me like, what am I here to do? Like what can I create? And I got that down low within 24 hours to create affirmation music. So that’s a little bit of the time, like I can go on and on, but it is, it is like when I share it, I’m like, man, this sounds like a movie. Like it does. ’cause it’s like, and I experienced it, you know, firsthand. And so that’s pretty much my portal of entry was like, it started with like a issue between me and this guy that I was dating, you know, not issue issues and me questioning like what’s going on with me to where I’m like dealing with this consistently.

Speaker 2 (05:29):

And I came across narcissistic personality disorder, led me to go back to school to get my degree in psychology. Psychology led me to start my wellness company cuz I knew I didn’t wanna get into psychology as a profession, but I wanted to use this education and launch my business and what I offered. And then coaching led me to a PLA to music. And I just really wanted to create an album where women started to believe that they can practice wellness on the go. And then I could gain more clients. So where they’re doing the work in their own lives. But they’re coming to me for support. Not depending on me to do all the labor, the internal labor. So I never meant to become a musician that was never my intention. But somehow there was a divine thread that was happening, you know, to say, Hey, this is, this is what you’re supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (06:21):

Wow. Oh my gosh. I love so much of your story. And that was gonna be my next question was, did you always have the vision to become a musician? Cuz I’m just imagining it’s like a relatively short amount of time, right? Going from this sounds like toxic relationship, like you said, like so substitute, which is so funny to think about you now and the brand and the business you’ve built like doing that. But one of the things that we talk about and that I love because I think your music backs this up is that it’s like everything that feels really crappy at the time. Like the relationship, for example, we can, we can alchemize it. Right. We can and turn it into something that’s working for us. And that in every challenge there’s an equivalent blessing, but we’ve gotta be willing to like to go for it and to look for what that is. And I love how you turned that very challenging relationship and situation into what you know, what you’re doing today. So I’m so curious cuz you said you never had the vision to be a musician and now you’ve got this incredible brand that you’ve built. Like when was the first, so what happened when you got down on your knees, you prayed, you had that download to do the, the affirmation music. Tell us about making that first song for your clients and what happened as a result.

Speaker 2 (07:38):

Oh man, I’ll never forget it. Mm I’ll never forget it because when I got that download that was in 2018, the summer 2018 and I ended up going to LA for a month and I brought all my journals, all my notes from all the programs that I’ve been in, spiritual retreats and things like that. My journals and I went to California with the intention to write my album. And I wrote affirmations for the grown woman in LA and on the beach, actually it was long beach and uh, I wrote nine songs to represent the nine months. It takes for a woman, a growing human being. Cause I won at this album to, as soon as a woman pushes play, she ends up growing the woman of her dreams without her even trying, you know? And so, um, I came back to Detroit, applied for a loan when I got the loan. That’s when I got into the studio, cuz I didn’t have money. I didn’t have extra money to the studio pay producer and all of that stuff. It’s a lot of money produce a album. Sure. And so, um, I got in the studio and the first song that I recorded was NOIs bay

Speaker 1 (08:54):

Love that.

Speaker 2 (08:56):

And I created the hook and immediately the producer was like, whoa, have you done this before? You know, and this is a childhood friend that’s known me too. So he was just like, you really just whipped that up like that. I was like, yeah. And I got in the studio and just it’s to start coming out of me. And I was just like, wow, I can do this. Like, you know, but I still didn’t think like, oh I’m about to be a musician or whatever. It was just like my whole goal was it for it not to be corny. Like I just did not want to be corny. I heard a lot of conscious me music that I felt like had a powerful message, but it was just corny, the beat, the melody, the Sonics. I was just like, I wanna have an element. That’s cool.

Speaker 2 (09:47):

You know? And so at the time I felt like that album was fitted fit for what was cool at the time. I mean, it, it still relevant. It still lands for people still feel like it’s a bot. But for me, what it felt like creating that was just like, I want to make sure that this is undeniable undeniably felt where women are just shaking their butts, but they’re also getting downloads, but they’re also crying, but they’re also healing, but they’re also sending emails or getting the kids ready. It’s like, so they can experience the embodiment of being multidimensional in one moment. Like I can actually be well healed on the, go through this music, you know? And I can say these words. So for me it was like, oh my God, I’m creating something. That’s can revolutionize. So when I was in that studio, it was so many thoughts like, oh this is revolutionary. Like, okay, where did I get this talent? Oh my God, I can really do this. And I’m like, oh, this is cool. You know? So that’s that kinda like what, where I was when I was writing, when I, I won’t say writing, cuz I already wrote the album, but when I was actually in the studio producing that, uh, particular song and album,

Speaker 1 (11:10):

I love that. I’m so curious. Did you ever have imposter syndrome show up and I’m like, I’m not even a big fan of that word. Cause I feel like we kind of perpetuate it. So maybe there’s a better way to, to say it. Cause I don’t wanna keep fueling the, you know, there’s a big conversation around imposter I think. But, but I know one of the things that happens for a lot of our women in the community is it’s like they typically come in and they end in our, our community when they’re ready for something bigger in their lives. And they, they create, create it pretty fast usually. But there can be that element of like, wow, like who am I to be making more money, be launching this business. So for you realizing, wow, like I’ve got this gift. This is actually really good. Was there. And, and your identity may have still like it was shifting during that process. Right. So did that come up for you? And if so, how did you navigate that?

Speaker 2 (12:02):

So when I created the album, I had no thought of fear or it was the first time I ever created created something without fear or doubt. Wow.

Speaker 1 (12:13):

How was that? How, because it was cha I just wanna pause on that. Cause I think that’s important cuz it was so channeled or why was there no fear out in it?

Speaker 2 (12:20):

I think it was just so channeled. Mm. It was such annoying. I felt like every woman on the planet was whispering in my ears saying, please do this for us.

Speaker 1 (12:30):

Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (12:31):

That’s what it felt like. And I could notar that. I could not unfill that I knew be before I knew in my head, I knew in my body, like I was like, I have to do this. Like, you know, and it wasn’t like, oh, to change it. Wasn’t I just remember feeling like logically, oh this will help my clients. I was thinking, oh, this would be so impactful for women that I serve. But the body feeling the heart feeling was, I don’t know why I have to do this. I don’t know why this is so like get it done, but it’s I know I have to do this and it great. You know? And so I didn’t have any doubt. And that’s what really gave me the breadcrumbs to like continue on this path because so many other things, professionally weren’t working, so many things were just being destroyed right before my eyes.

Speaker 2 (13:33):

It was completely so shy, you know? And so the only thing that I saw that had life was the music. I saw it growing without my effort. And I was like, wait a minute. I like this feeling. Ah, yes. You know? And so with the apostle syndrome, to be honest, Elise, I didn’t start experiencing that till the music started, you know, growing and being, I mean last year I dealt with it because I was watching, I think I was going through a, a soul curriculum of learning. Um, not do, is it duality learning how you could really show up big, like big in the world and be a work in progress. You could still be learning lessons. You could still be navigating messy situations and decisions that you don’t really know really wanna make, but still be showing up for your dreams, still showing up for your craft and your talents.

Speaker 2 (14:34):

And so watching myself go through that helped me release a lot of shame and guilt around. I’m not perfect. You know, like I don’t match this, this image that’s out here. People are not seeing the behind the scenes of how I’m screwing up. Mm. You know, so for me it was like, am I really doing this? And I just felt in my spirit, like, yes I am. This is what wholeness looks like. When you have space, you’ve expanded your consciousness to have space for your duality of, of being a human, being a spirit, being a badass, being insecure, working through messy situation. You know what I’m saying? It’s like, oh, I am doing, I am doing it. Like I’m doing it. Right. You know? And so, so that imposter syndrome I can relate to, but it was post at the music. It was not during or pre the music. So, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:36):

Wow. I absolutely love everything you just said. Cause that comes up for all of us. Right. And especially like you’re on a visible stage. So there can be the selfimposed pressure and sometimes external pressure of like, I’ve gotta live this 24 7. And I’ve, I mean, today I experience that with my own, my own brand and what I teach and of like, you know, we, we teach this stuff and we know it and we breathe it. But there’s, I, I do feel like we teach what we need to learn and I still, I’m still learning layers and layers of yes, I think I’m teaching. So thank you so much for just being real about that, because that is so present in my life like this morning as we record this. Thank you. You’re welcome. Oh my gosh. You know, I wanna, so there’s so many things I wanna ask you about it’s I promise I’m not gonna keep, keep you here all day, but I really could with the questions it’s I could for you.

Speaker 1 (16:35):

I wanna, so I wanna ask about doing business a different way, and I think that’s part of why your music resonates so much with me, with the women in our community. And you say in, so one of your songs, uh, lens check, right? You say there’s an evolved way to do business. That hasn hit the entrepreneurial trend yet. And I love that. And one of my clients actually took that and like it’s really inspiring her to create something very different in her space. That’s much more heart centered and heart led than what the rest of her space is doing. But I wanna hear from you, like, what does that mean to you? This Evolv weighted do business that hasn’t hit the trend yet. Cuz I think we are all passionate about doing things differently here doing like making money and being heart led, making money and taking care of ourselves. But I wanna hear from you, what, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (17:29):

Well, in a Evolv way of do business that hasn’t hit the entrepreneurial trends, the entrepreneurial trends, we all know them,

Speaker 2 (17:41):

You know, master marketing, master, social media, post three times a day, all of these different things, disgusting. You know what I’m saying? And have a business plan, don’t have a business plan. It’s just like so many different things. And for me that was bombarding my nature. I’m a hippie at nature. Like I don’t care about anything about this infrastructure of capitalism, but I’ve learned to have a respect for and what it can do for people, you know? And so I stopped hating it, but I was very disenchanted with, and I still have some disenchanted with the structure of capitalism, but it’s a, it’s amazing it to amazing, um, opportunity if you have the mindset for it, you know, cause it’s what makes America America, you know? And so for me, all the business trends made me feel like the preneur trends made me feel like I have to sacrifice my wellbeing for the grind.

Speaker 2 (18:51):

Like I have to sacrifice my sleep, my fun, my play, my time, my energy, my health for a dollar that don’t make no sense. So the Ava way to do business was coming to me as my wellbeing comes first, my joy comes first. It has to feel good to me before I do it. Like I have to feel like, um, there’s a level of energetic embodiment of groundedness of centeredness, of calm and ease. So I can infuse that energy into all that I’m doing and creating. So whatever I offer, whatever I sell, whatever I create, people can feel that I don’t care if it’s I’m selling a t-shirt, I’m selling a bag, I’m creating music. I’m creating a event. That energy is gonna be, be the habitat. You know what I’m saying, how I’m creating and what I’m doing. Um, like how I’m feeling, what I’m doing and creating is going that energy is going to be infused into whatever I share with others.

Speaker 2 (20:06):

So it’s not just you buy you, you know, you’re, you know, um, seller to consumer, it’s not the old way of doing business. It’s like I am pushing play on this music. I’m buying this back. And something about the feeling of having it in my life makes me feel a certain way. And, and not to even be that deep, this is all psychology. This is my, they teach this a and marketing tap into the feeling of people, but not in a, um, manipulative strategic way, but tap into your feeling like how do you feel when you are creating these candles when you’re creating these, this content and this programming, if you’re not feeling great about it, it’s time to get back to the drawing board to so to see if you can feel great about it, how you know what I’m saying. So the way of doing business is making you a priority.

Speaker 2 (21:02):

So how, whatever you do, whatever you share, whatever you create, you know, can feel a certain way to people. You know it because we are multidimensional beings. We’re VI, we are, we are learning that we are vibrational beings. So the vibration of your business matters wow. On so many different levels. Cool. You know, so it’s, that’s what I mean by evolved way of doing business because the old traditional paradigm way post 2020 has been, you know, hustle hard, you know, teen, no sleep, but now it’s like, nah, I don’t have to do that. I, now I know. I mean you have five year olds that are millionaires from just playing with toys on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (21:47):

It’s crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:49):

Like, wait a minute, like I don’t have to do all this. I need go back. I remember Camala Harris. The vice president announced last year, uh, Kamala Harris, the vice president, she announced last year, 30 million women did not return back to work last year. You know how many women that is like th and she was encouraging them to go back to work and I’m like, Ooh, Kamala, good luck,

Speaker 1 (22:17):

Good luck, good luck.

Speaker 2 (22:20):

Well, good luck with that campaign because you know, women have tasted a freedom. They have tasted a time for, they have tasted a self-awareness that would prioritize as their wellbeing, their happiness, they see themselves now. So if they’re not seeing that work, complimenting their wellbeing, their family, their household culture, they have some, even if they don’t make a hard decision, now they’re starting to think, you know, so, you know, all in all, essentially what I’m saying is the involved way of doing business is putting yourself first. So you can infuse that wellbeing and that energy into all that you do. So people can feel that.

Speaker 1 (23:02):

Yes. Yes. I am like, it makes me emotional when you talk about it, because I think so many of us operated according to of the old paradigm. Yes. You know, and I was talking about how were

Speaker 2 (23:14):

We surviving?

Speaker 1 (23:15):

We weren’t, I mean, it was, how

Speaker 2 (23:18):

Did we do that?

Speaker 1 (23:20):

It was terrible. It was absolutely terrible, but there’s,

Speaker 1 (23:29):

Yeah. There’s so much conditioning still of that, which is why your work is so important and why, you know, we as a community, appreciate it so much. But it’s so I wanna, I wanna talk a little bit about your experience of money and your relationship with money, because my own experience kind of what to what you said before. It’s like there’s five year olds making millions of dollars on YouTube, not grinding hustling. They’re having fun. They’re having a great time. And then there’s this, this culture of like, if you wanna make, if you wanna hit six, figure seven, whatever, it’s all the things you listed team, no sleep work harder, post more, yada, yada, we don’t teach that at the she cells community. We teach a very different way of doing things in a very different relationship with money and in my own experience for a long time in sales.

Speaker 1 (24:21):

And then as an entrepreneur, I was like, I wanted to make more money, but I had to tear relationship with money. And I didn’t know I did, but it was very tumultuous, very up and down. And as that healed, it was like, money just comes in and it’s not a lot of hard, like it’s, it’s putting your gifts and talents out in the world, but it’s not the hard work that grinding and hustling and your songs like money worship me, which I of by the way, is like such a paradigm shift around money. Right. And, and currency, they’re so powerful and they reflect to me a very healthy relationship with money. And so I’m, I’m curious to know like your own relationship with money. I I’m really intrigued by what you said about, like, you’re not a fan of all the elements of capitalism, but you S see, you know, you, you see the benefits of a lot of it, and you’ve been through the burnout hustle grind of making money. So how has, how has your relationship with money evolved and how have you, how have you healed and strengthened that relationship over time?

Speaker 2 (25:23):

Okay. Um, let me first grab this, this, this book right here helped me a whole lot. It’s by Maria. Nimo the energy of money. Can you see it?

Speaker 1 (25:34):

I have never read that, but I feel like that’s like a must. Oh my gosh. It’s a must. Okay. It’s

Speaker 2 (25:39):

A must the energy of money, a spiritual guide to financial and personal fulfillment by Maria. Nimo amazing. And I tell you, girl, that book took me about two years to read because it was peeling my brain back. Okay. Cause the amount of stuff that I saw that was the root cause of just IR responsibility, money, the amount of shame and guilt I had because I struggled for years as an entrepreneur and as a woman of being pretty and being powerful, but not profitable, you know? And I was quietly embarrassed by that, you know? So it, it was, it was, I was always secretly trying to figure out how do I be responsible with this money? Like, you know, and being an African American woman, you know, it hits harder because it’s like when you experience, when you experience your culture being defined by not having a lot, you, you try and show up with having things to show that you have something, even though that’s an American thing in my culture, it’s a whole nother level, you know?

Speaker 2 (26:56):

And so, you know, for me, it was like, let me my mind, you know, let me read something that can give me a new thought, a new, uh, mental capacity to think about money. You know, what is it, why is it? Cause when I, I remember, I remember years ago, I used to grab dollars and I would just look at it like, why, why, why, why? I mean, water is more valuable than this. You know, air is more valuable than this. Like, food is more valuable than this shelter is more valuable this, but yet this is what gets us that. So for me, I was like down a whole rabbit hole with my distance champion with money. So for me, the updating my mindset with new information about the spiritual and the, uh, metaphysics around money helped me unlearn and unlearn the way that I was conditioned about money, you know, and expanded my understanding of what money is, which is just a representation of our energy, you know?

Speaker 2 (28:08):

And so over like learning, that was one piece embodying, that was a whole nother thing. So I had to take what I knew and translate it into my daily practice. So, um, it ended up leading to like, just these small steps. These is practice called 50, 30, 20, meaning whatever income that you get, half of that goes towards this, 30% goes towards this 20% goes towards that. And so once I start to see that work for me and all my bills be paid, but I could still do a little shopping and I, you know, I got emergency money for this. I was like this, so good. I, you know, I started to feel that sense of pride. So for me, that helped heal the shame, the guilt, the embarrassment. And then it led to a point where, where their money was coming in or not. I was free from that stronghold of defining my worth with money.

Speaker 2 (29:05):

You know what I I’m saying? Yeah. And so it was like when it was little money in a bank account, a lot of money in a bank account, I had a sustained state vibrationally to be like, I am my money, you know, so you see how you see how the pro the journey was like the, how the journey went from one state to another. And so even now I’m still expanding. I’m still a student with my relationship with money, cuz money is starting to come in a lot, you know? And I’m just like, I don’t wanna mess this up. You know, I don’t want any old to be triggered. And I’m just like, oh, I need to spin, you know? Yeah. So look, I’m a mother’s child, right? So I’m an American woman. Like retail therapy is real like, you know,

Speaker 1 (29:56):

Yes.

Speaker 2 (29:56):

So my relationship money came, came from really, it started with me wanting to unlearn and update my mind with new information, about money to where I can actually see if I can practice and embody this new way of relating to money and then sustain that state. You know, no matter whether money is there or not. Yes,

Speaker 1 (30:22):

Yes. And what you just said is so important about like, I know in my own life, I used money to validate my worth for so long. And it was like, when I make this amount, then I’ll, then I’ll be worthy and then I, you would make it and then I’d still feel unworthy and what I’ve learned. I’m so excited to read that book. I’m all about books like that. But what I’ve learned from other similar study on my own is like, you will, you will, number one, if you don’t feel worthy without money, you won’t feel worthy with money period. End of story. There will never be enough money to validate you, um, and your self worth if you need it for that. But it’s like when we do the inner work and the healing and we’ve feel validated and feel worthy, regardless, money comes pretty easily and it comes when you need it and it comes in the amount you need it. And it’s like, it’s just a totally different relationship, but you don’t it’s, it’s like a bonus. It’s kinda like the cherry on top. You don’t feel like you need it to feel worthy, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:21):

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:21):

Which the other piece that the other piece of that, that I would love to hear from you is around worthiness and how you’ve cultivated that, um, in your life. Because I think it’s, it’s so much of the undercurrent of your music. It’s the undercurrent of a lot of what we teach and this community. And what are some of the practices that you have implemented in your life to, um, to create that sense of self worth, where it’s like, where, whether the money’s there or not. I’m good. Whether the audience is there or not like I’m good, cuz that takes work and that takes discipline. I know. So what are some of, what does that journey been like for you and what are some of those practices that you do now to keep cultivating that sense of worthiness?

Speaker 2 (32:11):

I would have to say that my spiritual connection to God And girl, it’s just like those awakenings to who you truly, as spirit has helped me realize my worth. When you understand the breath that you’re breathing,

Speaker 2 (32:40):

The heartbeats that are happening without your intentions, your lungs, your blood, your body, doing things without your effort, you realize you pay attention that you realize you’re connected to something that’s helping you, you work and operate. And when you get curious about what that is, what that source is, you realize I don’t have to do anything to breathe. I don’t have to create a vision board for my heartbeat to keep going. I don’t have to do affirmations for my to keep breathing. I am worthy of this source working through me to live. So what does it look like for me to translate that worthiness towards myself? If life is saying that I’m worthy, no matter if I ate Dorito chocolate cake, all that stuff today, my body will still be going. It’s gonna fight for me. If I get a cut, my, you know, life is not gonna say, oh, you gotta read scriptures and you gotta fast for you to heal.

Speaker 2 (33:59):

No that cut is going to heal because it was designed to heal self. Wow. You see what I’m saying? So I’m worth that healing without my effort. So that’s the highest level of worthiness of just you are not your intentions, your performance, your behavior is not a prerequisite for your worthiness. Wow. You being here is your, your birthright to worthiness you just being here. So awakening to that, it, it trickles down, it trickles down to where, when a worthiness does come up, when insecurity comes up, you can ground yourself spiritually by remembering that, you know, so it can soothe the nervous system. When it, when it starts to tell you all these stories of like, see it’s happening again, you’re not worthy. They don’t like, like all of these things, you know, ground yourself in there. I find meditation to help me to ground at divine worthiness. Um, being connecting with trees, being out in nature, you know, sipping teeth by myself, doing something spontaneous, you know, canceling the day helps me tap into that worthiness because it’s like, if I’m not okay and I got a whole agenda today, I’m worth canceling it. Wow. I’m worth that because I deserve to feel good. I deserve to be worthy of creating space for my wellbeing, for my mental health, you know?

Speaker 1 (35:42):

Yes, yes. Wow. That is so powerful. And when you said the PHY, when you talked about the physical healing, like we don’t have to, uh, you know, we don’t have to micromanage that process. There we go. Okay. Beautiful. Um, so one of the, one of the things that you made me think about when you were talking about the physical healing and how we don’t have to micromanage that process is how that corresponds to our inner healing too. Cuz as you say that, I think about, you know, there’s so many years of my life where I would like effort that inner work and I like affirmations would feel hard and visualization would be like, oh I’ve gotta sit here. And like really, really like

Speaker 2 (36:24):

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:25):

Focus. And it felt like effort. But as you say that it’s kind of a, it’s just a different way that I haven’t thought about it before where like, you know, like that part actually gets to be easy too. Like the inner healing gets to be easy too. And that the divine is helping us with that all the time too. And I think where we, this is my perspective, I wanna hear your thoughts. Like we make it harder than it needs to be or make it last longer than it needs to be. Cuz we think it has to be hard. So what, what’s your perspective on that?

Speaker 2 (36:53):

Um, as far as the healing,

Speaker 1 (36:55):

The inner healing like, and how I wanna actually tie it in with part of what you speak about with surrender, worthiness, and also surrender and like letting the divine flow through us, surrendering, um, just surrendering the parts for life where we may have been gripping. So with that inner oh

Speaker 2 (37:14):

Yeah,

Speaker 1 (37:14):

Yeah, yeah. I wanna get your perspective on that

Speaker 2 (37:17):

With the inner healing. Um, I would say the best part. Uh, I would say the best thing that has helped me is to remember, uh, um, I won’t say remember, or what’s the word reframe? It’s like put myself in a perspective of treating myself like a newborn. Mm. You know, so fragile, so new. So do dependent, you know, and when I look at once, I became aware of like the load of what was happening, like what I have gone through and how, how I’ve created these things to survive these mental structures, these, you know, defense mechanisms, you know, these coping skills that I just made up. Once I saw all of that, I was like, oh baby, come here. Mm. What have you been through? You know, I mean, I was just in a yoga session last month. It was a meditative yoga, yoga session was phenomenal because I never been, you know, different people guide yoga different ways.

Speaker 2 (38:29):

And she was phenomenal and she was helping us tap into our feminine. And I felt things my body that made me feel like, oh my God, what have I locked in my body on an emotional level? Wow. Like my goodness. And so for me, it’s about realizing how tender, how sensitive, how fragile some of these area in my life are because I had to ball ’em up stuff. ’em in my pocket, you know what I’m saying? Keep ’em in the dark, keep ’em protected and locked in so I can continue living life and doing what I need to do. And so now that you know, we’re in this era of self awareness and expanding our consciousness, it’s like now that those places are exposed, it’s up to me to bring loving kindness and compassion and tenderness and gentleness to that space. So I have to treat those parts of myself like a newborn.

Speaker 2 (39:36):

Wow. You know, not say you have to heal right now. I got all the formulas for you. You’ve been in my life, you know, in my blind spots sabotaging no, no, no, no. You want to have gratitude because for that, because if it wasn’t for, you know, you putting it in that space, you wouldn’t have been able to do this, this, this and that. Wow. It’s a shadow and light side to everything. Right. So for me, it’s the way that I practice that surrendering, that gentleness, that compassion and that sense of worth of saying, Hey, I’m, I’m worth being what I did not receive when I was so fragile. So vulnerable as a child, as a teenager in that relationship, I get to be that towards these parts of myself, because now I know what that feels like. So when other people try and do it, I don’t push them away.

Speaker 2 (40:35):

You know what I’m saying? Have you ever seen the movie? Um, um, oh, what is that movie? It’s by Pixar. And it’s about a musician. It’s a black guy. Oh, soul soul. Yes. And then the movie in the movie, when they were trying to reach the, the little soul, he was pushing everybody away. And it’s like the quintessential blueprint in and narrative of what we do when we haven’t experienced that owns self compassion and gentleness and sense of worth of holding ourselves in tender ways. You know, when we are, when those things are brought up, they’re, they’re ugly, they’re messy. They’re, they’re not shiny and beautiful and Instagram like, you know? And so I think hopefully that lands and resonates for your audience. But for me, it definitely has helped me reframe how I embrace those parts of me that I really wanna change. I mean, if I had, I, sometimes I told my mother the other day, I said, I wish there was like a spiritual bleach where I could dip my nervous system

Speaker 1 (41:41):

And

Speaker 2 (41:42):

Just comes out and it’s like, right.

Speaker 1 (41:48):

Spiritual, Right.

Speaker 2 (41:55):

Take all the darkness out.

Speaker 1 (41:57):

And yeah,

Speaker 2 (41:57):

But that’s not the case. You have to learn how to navigate it because we’re not only dealing with our stuff, but we’re dealing with generational programming. Yeah. So we have to, we have to like, it’s critical to be, to show ourselves loving kindness and compassion and gentleness as we awaken to these parts of ourselves and we still wanna change so bad. So fast.

Speaker 1 (42:22):

Wow. Yes. Yes. That was a, that was a perspective shift for me the way you stated it there. So I love that visual. I love thinking about the newborn energy and that much love to ourselves. That’s oh, that’s so powerful. Two final questions for you, Tony. And then I want you to tell everyone where they can connect, where they can listen to your music. So, so, so good. Number one, I would love to know from you, what, what is the number one thing that you’re currently affirming in your own life?

Speaker 2 (42:52):

Oh man, that’s a good question. Uh, my thirst for romance has been more intense lately.

Speaker 1 (43:02):

Mm love it.

Speaker 2 (43:03):

And I really don’t like it, but I’m also have to be honest. I really don’t like it. Like I just wanna, I just self love and, but I have to be honest.

Speaker 1 (43:18):

Yep.

Speaker 2 (43:19):

I’ll be honest that it’s a precious thing to desire to share yourself with someone. So I’m, I’ve been affirming like conscious partnership, but I’ve also been, I don’t wanna get into that obsession to manifest some thing or someone. Mm. So I’ve been more so affirming and um, in my life that I live from my highest timeline wow. Of my deepest desires and my ultimate fulfillment. Like, because that includes it. All right. Wow.

Speaker 1 (43:53):

Yeah. That gives me chills.

Speaker 2 (43:55):

Yeah. My highest timeline, my deepest desires and my Al fulfillment. I move, I live, I embody that now. That’s what I’ve been affirming in my life.

Speaker 1 (44:08):

Gosh, that’s good. I’m so glad I asked you that. Cause I’m gonna use that affirmation too in other areas, but that is so good. Final question. Before you tell everyone where to connect with you, um, the, the core message and the core theme of she sells and the work we do here is to trust yourself, to trust your inherent wiring. As a, we have both men and women who listen. So it’s a, but to trust your inherent wiring, um, to trust your, to trust the downloads, to trust how you wanna do business, how you wanna sell yes. Your intuition. So for someone who wants to learn to trust themselves more, what would be your number one piece of advice?

Speaker 2 (44:57):

Okay. It’s twofold. Meditation

Speaker 2 (45:03):

Spending silent time, quiet time solitude with yourself and just practice listening, practice, deep breathing. Because what you’re doing is you’re giving your brain, your nervous system. You’re giving yourself physical evidence that you listen to yourself. Like this is what we do. This is a lifestyle. This is not just a wellness practice, but I am sitting with myself to hear and to wait and be patient with my knowingness, with my feeling this to witness what’s happening in my body. What’s rapidly going on in my mind. And I deep breathe and I inhale. And I Excel. When you make that a like something less ritual for yourself, what’s ends up happening is your intuition gets loud,

Speaker 2 (45:57):

Your discernment. And I won’t say louder, but your intuition just becomes more to the forefront because it’s so much noise going on in life. There’s so much noise that we’ve normalized in our mind, that when you practice meditation and stillness and silence, you amplify that habit to say, hold on. What does my heart say? What’s really happening. You don’t feel the impulse to act and get answers immediately. You go into that sacred space of saying, what is the great, I am channeling. And speaking through me, what is true for me? How does this feel in my body? You know? And again, that goes back to worthiness that I’m worth the stillness to get the clarity of how I need to do business, how I need to go about this relationship. And so on the other piece is out of all the mistakes that we made throughout the years, out of all the good decisions that we made throughout the years, we’re still here doing it. Great.

Speaker 1 (46:59):

Mm.

Speaker 2 (47:00):

So we don’t have to be obsessed about doing it, right. Even if you, if, even if you are doubting and I, I say this as a student to this, not a master to this. Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:13):

Even if you’re the self doubt and you’re like, oh my God, I’m, am I gonna make a mistake? And like, I’m just gonna make this decision. Even if it’s a mistake, all it’s gonna do is feed you being greater. You only get better, no matter what side of the fence you’re on. And your decision making, look at your past, you’ve made tons of mistakes. Oh yeah. You’ve made great decisions, but both have let them wear to this present moment. And you’re still here doing it. Great. So we don’t have to worry about whether, get it right or wrong right now, whether you get right or wrong in the future. At the end of the day, you’re gonna be good. You know? So trusting that. So I would definitely say the practice is meditation, practicing silence, stillness. Even if it’s for two minutes, three minutes, you just wanna get, you wanna normalize that in your life, that you make time to be quiet with your, in a voice. And the second piece is throughout the obsession of doing it right. And getting it right. And avoiding the consequences. Like,

Speaker 1 (48:19):

Gosh, it is so liberating. That is so liberating. Wow. Thank you. So, so, so much from the bottom of, of my heart, this is really one of my favorite conversations I’ve ever had on the show. We’ve a lot, but thank you so much. Thank you. Yes. Uh, tell, please, Tony, tell everyone, where can they connect with you? Where can they listen to your music? If they’re not, I know so many of the audience already is listening to you, but if they’re not yet, where can people find out more and, and listen to your incredible music?

Speaker 2 (48:49):

Yeah. Well, you, you can go to my website. I am Tony jones.com where you can find out like, you know, my social media, like some of my offerings. Um, then I also have a Facebook page called, um, I am Tony Jones and you that’s where all my updates on my appearances with cities, I’ll be in performances speaking and the rings. And then I’m on, on Instagram. I am Tony Jones, Twitter. I believe it’s, I am Tony Jones. I am so you can follow me on all those platforms. But most importantly, if whatever I do speaks to you say yes to it, push, play, opt in. Don’t hesitate. If it calls you, I don’t care. If it’s anything, if it’s calling you go in leap in and lean in my music is on all platforms, Spotify, title, YouTube, Amazon iTunes. So, you know, I’m here in the digital virtual world. So feel free to opt into a resonates.

Speaker 1 (49:53):

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. And just speaking to all of our listeners, you will not regret it ever. And you will listen to the music again and again and again, every single day like I do. And like so many members of our community do thank you again for the bottom of my heart, for sharing your soul, your journey, um, and so much beautiful wisdom today. This was really, really powerful.

Speaker 2 (50:15):

Thank you, Elise. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (50:18):

Yes. Yes. And to you, my beautiful listener, I am so grateful for you being a part of this community. Connect with Tony on social, listen to her music. It is so life changing and transformational. So grateful to have you in our is she sells community and we will see you next week for our next episode. Bye for now.